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September 11, 2008

Vivekananda’s explanation on idol worship and many GODs theory of Hinduism

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I have just taken a small excerpt of Vivekananda’s speech at World Parliament of Religion on Chicago, 19th September 1893…..

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Superstition is a great enemy of man, but bigotry is worse. Why does a Christian go to church? Why is the cross holy? Why is the face turned toward the sky in prayer? Why are there so many images in the Catholic Church? Why are there so many images in the minds of Protestants when they pray? My brethren, we can Do more think about anything without a mental image than we can live without breathing- By the law of association the material image calls up the mental idea and vice versa. This is why the Hindu uses an external symbol when he worships. He will tell you. it helps to keep his mind fixed on the Being to whom he prays. He knows as well as you do that the image is not God, is not omnipresent. finer all, how much does omnipresence mean to almost the whole world? It stands merely as a word, a symbol. Has God superficial area? If not, when we repeat that word ‘omnipresent’, we think of the extended sky. or of space – that is all.

As we find that somehow or other, by the laws of our mental constitution, we have to associate our ideas of infinity with the image of the blue sky, or of the sea, so we naturally connect our idea of holiness with the image of a church, a mosque, or a cross. The Hindus have associated the ideas of holiness, purity, truth, omnipresence, and such other ideas with different images and forms. But with this difference that while some people devote their whole lives to their idol of a church and never rise higher, because with them religion means an intellectual assent to certain doctrines and doing good to their fellows, the whole religion of the Hindu is centered in realization. Man is to become divine by realizing the divine. Idols or temples or churches or books are only the supports, the helps, of his spiritual childhood; but on and on he must progress.

He must not stop anywhere. ‘External worship, material worship’ ?,’ say the scriptures, ‘is the lowest stage,’ struggling to rise high, mental prayer is the next stage, but the highest stage is when the Lord has been realized., Mark, the same earnest man who is kneeling before the idol tells you, ‘Him the sun cannot express, nor the moon, nor the stars, the lightning cannot express Him, nor what we speak of as fire; through Him they shine.’ But he does not abuse anyone’s idol or call its worship sin. He recognizes in it a necessary stage of life. ‘The child is father of the man.’ Would it be right for an old man to say that childhood is a sin or youth a sin?

If a man can realize his divine nature with the help of an image, would it be right to call that a sin? Nor, even when he has passed that stage, should he call it an error. To the Hindu, man is not traveling from error to truth, but from truth to truth, from lower to higher truth. To him all the religions from the lowest fetishism to the highest absolutism, mean so many attempts of the human soul to grasp and realize the Infinite, each determined by the conditions of its birth and association, and each of these marks a stage of progress; and every soul is a young eagle soaring higher and higher, gathering more and more strength till it reaches the Glorious Sun.

Unity in variety is the plan of nature, and the Hindu has recognized it. Every other religion lays down certain fixed dogmas and tries to force society to adopt them. It places before society only one coat which must fit Jack and John and Henry, all alike. If it does not fit John or Henry he must go without a coat to cover his body. The Hindus have discovered that the absolute can only be realized, or thought of, or stated through the relative, and the images, crosses, and crescents are simply so many symbols – so many pegs to hang spiritual ideas on. It is not that this help is necessary for everyone, but those that do not need it have no right to say that it is wrong. Nor is it compulsory in Hinduism.

One thing I must tell you. Idolatry in India does not mean anything horrible. It is not the mother of harlots. On the other hand, it is the attempt of undeveloped minds to grasp high spiritual truths. The Hindus have their faults, they sometimes have their exceptions; but mark this, they are always for punishing their own bodies, and never for cutting the throats of their neighbors. If the Hindu fanatic burns himself on the pyre, he never lights the fire of Inquisition. And even this cannot be laid at the door of his religion any more than the burning of witches can be laid at the door of Christianity.

To the Hindu, then, the whole world of religions is only a traveling, a coming up, of different men and women, through various conditions and circumstances, to the same goal. Every religion is only evolving a God out of the material man, and the same God is the inspirer of all of them. Why, then, are there so many contradictions? They are only apparent, says the Hindu. The contradictions come from the same truth adapting itself to the varying circumstances of different natures.

It is the same light coming through glasses of different colors- And these little variations are necessary for purposes of adaptation. But in the heart of everything the same truth reigns. The Lord has declared to the Hindu in His incarnation as Krishna: ‘I am in every religion as the thread through a string of pearls. Wherever thou seest extraordinary holiness and extraordinary power raising and purifying humanity, know thou that I am there. ‘ And what has been the result? I challenge the world to find, throughout the whole system of Sanskrit philosophy, any such expression as that the Hindu alone will be saved and not others. Says Vyasa, ‘we find perfect men even beyond the pale of our caste and creed.’ One thing more. How, then, can the Hindu, whose whole fabric of thought centers in God, believe in Buddhism which is agnostic, or in Jainism which is atheistic?

The Buddhists or the Jains do not depend upon God; but the whole force of their religion is directed to the great central truth in every religion, to evolve a God out of man. They have not seen the Father, but they have seen the Son. And he that hath seen the Son bath seen the Father also. ..”

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Descend we now from the aspirations of philosophy to the religion of the ignorant. At the very outset, I may tell you that there is no polytheism in India. In every temple, if one stands by and listens, one will find the worshipers applying all the attributes of God, including omnipresence. to the images. It is not polytheism, nor would the name henotheism explain the situation.

‘The rose, called by any other name, would smell as sweet.’ Names are not explanations.

I remember, as a boy, hearing a Christian missionary preach to crowd in India. Among other sweet things he was telling them was, that if he gave a blow to their idol with his stick. what could it do? One of his hearers sharply answered, ‘If I abuse your God, what can He do?’ ‘ou would be punished,’ said the preacher, ‘when you die.’ ‘So my idol will punish you when you die,’ retorted the Hindu.

The tree is known by its fruits. When l have seen amongst them that are called idolaters, men, the like of whom, in morality and spirituality and love, I have never seen anywhere, l stop and ask myself, ‘Can sin beget holiness?’ ..”

For the full speech check

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_1/Addresses_at_The_Parliament_of_Religions/Paper_on_Hinduism

 

 

 

 

27 Comments »

  1. Good compilation….Vineeth has got a new book on the scientific explanation on various hindu customs.Sort of enlightning with explanations which common man can understand.take a look,you might find it interesting

    Comment by Gov — September 12, 2008 @ 2:17 pm | Reply

  2. I liked the key point-
    Man is to become divine by realizing the divine.

    But as a matter of fact most of hindus or christians or which ever religion, are all doing the same thing ie limiting to the plane of idol worship for material gains, and are never rising above it… that is my observation….

    The funny thing is Ramakrishna Mission publishes the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda for Rs350/- and nobody buys it 🙂

    Some other interesting books are –
    Many Lives Many Masters by Brian L. Weiss
    Conversation With God by Neale Donald Walsch
    Both are interesting reads….

    Vineeth.

    Comment by Vineeth SB — September 15, 2008 @ 10:34 am | Reply

    • Vineeth, Namaste!
      You are right. People give false explanation that idol worship is only starting point and they will rise above it. Out of 100, 99 people cannot rise above idol worship. They get habituated to idol worship as their belief keeps growing strongly because they don’t tend to read vedas or upanishads but instead read purans(bhagavat puran, bhavishya puran etc etc) and never rise above it. Idol worship cannot be taken as a ABCD to learn vedic spiritualism, instead it is a great hindrance to vedic truth and realization concepts. Patanjali’s astaanga yoga sutras(yam,niyam,asan, pranayam…..) are the real ABCD s for realization.

      Comment by RamNarayan — October 31, 2013 @ 8:39 pm | Reply

    • Is worshiping idiols right or wrong

      Comment by Krishna — October 11, 2017 @ 10:14 pm | Reply

  3. wonderful excerpt. Appreciate your efforts. Good reading and great understanding.

    Comment by Naveen — December 4, 2008 @ 2:20 am | Reply

  4. central truth to evolve god out of man.hundred percent true.but none follows it.people in search of peace changing religion but real thing they just adopt another culture and custom nothing else

    Comment by bhavani — December 19, 2010 @ 5:52 pm | Reply

  5. But my question is why that stage has not come yet where the followers of Hinduism Leaves the idols and centered on Higher point.

    Comment by religion Believer — October 5, 2011 @ 3:52 pm | Reply

    • Its not an easy thing to do so. And nor does muslims do so. within every human mind, some form or th othr would come. atleast of emptiness, and the subconscious mind knowlingly or unknowingly meditates on that and equates it with the goal.

      Comment by Saroj Hkg — March 18, 2017 @ 8:35 pm | Reply

  6. interesting indeed! i have seen my mother coming to the stage where she used to teach me that there is one God and why we worship so many forms of God is because of the society and compliance to be accepted as a member of society. God will understand and know our hearts!

    Comment by roopa — October 27, 2011 @ 11:53 am | Reply

  7. zakir must read and try to understand it

    Comment by ujwal — March 27, 2012 @ 3:53 pm | Reply

    • Brother first read book clearly
      You jost download pdf of zakir naik
      Thank you

      Comment by shahbaz alam — November 11, 2015 @ 5:19 pm | Reply

  8. In simple words “its important to pray and not how you pray”

    Comment by Shaubhik — July 19, 2012 @ 2:05 am | Reply

  9. I never expected that the writer (Vivekananda) doesn’t have any knowledge of other religion!! Why are there so many images in the minds of Protestants when they pray? What a stupid question and understanding?

    Comment by Benjamin Ross — July 25, 2012 @ 8:15 am | Reply

    • Sir it is not a stupid question.Swami Vivekananda wants to say that whichever religion it might be, people always tend to find God through a picture, an idol or a piece of wood or the sky or the infinite.They just need something to focus their minds on.

      Comment by Snehashish — June 7, 2013 @ 1:44 pm | Reply

      • Image is not required sir, let us say if your father is dead before your birth and you do not have any images, can you imagine Vivekananda as your father (husband of your mother) ??????????? if this is in the case of stupid human beings, then how can you attribute images and idols to GOD ???? First you try praying without any images and then you will come to know it is easy and does not require any stupid images and idols ……. Vivekananda is also an human being like you, his word is not first and last, you first open your mind and think ……. Best of Luck ….. An Indian Brother …..,.

        Comment by nischal srivastav — August 21, 2013 @ 2:59 pm

  10. “God without Christ is no God.” ― John Piper, Don’t Waste Your Life

    Comment by Benjamin Ross — July 25, 2012 @ 8:38 am | Reply

    • Dear John, Namaste!
      What do you mean by “GOD without Christ”? Aren’t they both different? How can Christ be GOD. How can a human being be a GOD. It is wrong.

      Comment by RamNarayan — October 31, 2013 @ 8:41 pm | Reply

  11. Thanks for this article. Words are audio idols,actions are behaviour idols, imagination are mental idols. If god sends his/her/it’s message through
    series of intermediaries then praying back through intermediaries has at least a benefit of doubt(copying the same way as god did). Moreover style of worship has nothing to do with nature of god. Those who blame and curse idol worship attack their ancestry instead!If god speaks to us directly and we pray to god directly then let”s throw away all religious books and religious customs. I am OK with that.
    Regarding number of gods I would say I would say absolute infinite cannot be attributed with numbers like zero,one,two,three or thirty three thousand crores. Oneness is still a better choice.

    Comment by NIRVIK — February 26, 2014 @ 5:35 pm | Reply

  12. Vibration cannot happen in vacuum. If god does not consist of particles it cannot speak and there is no word of god. Let’s throw science aside or else concede matter in some way or other has something to do with god.
    God leaks her wisdom to all in all ages. Hooliganism does not take away this simple truth. Also god cannot define herself-by omnipotence clause she perhaps but infinite cannot be defined else she is not infinite. We should keep it open ended. An evolutionary impulse which is undefinable-
    the world is fighting over it. What a tragedy!
    Immorality is the aim and god is the veneer this days. Cool down brothers and sisters.

    Comment by NIRVIK — February 26, 2014 @ 6:09 pm | Reply

    • I guess one should go through the holy texts available with us.we need to understand it first..what exactly all texts are saying in common.just giving own thought is not the solution. i do not think vivekanand had gone through all the texts. he showed us the path what ramakrishna paramhansa taught him, and all of us know it that ramakrishna was a idol worshiper.

      Comment by vijay — May 3, 2015 @ 3:06 pm | Reply

  13. 130k
    IntroductionConcept of GodMuhammad (PBUH)Refrence Materials
    CONCEPT OF GOD IN HINDUISM by Dr. Zakir Naik
    1. Common Concept of God in Hinduism:
    Hinduism is commonly perceived as a polytheistic religion. Indeed, most Hindus would attest to this, by professing belief in multiple Gods. While some Hindus believe in the existence of three gods, some believe in thousands of gods, and some others in thirty three crore i.e. 330 million Gods. However, learned Hindus, who are well versed in their scriptures, insist that a Hindu should believe in and worship only one God.

    The major difference between the Hindu and the Muslim perception of God is the common Hindus’ belief in the philosophy of Pantheism. Pantheism considers everything, living and non-living, to be Divine and Sacred. The common Hindu, therefore, considers everything as God. He considers the trees as God, the sun as God, the moon as God, the monkey as God, the snake as God and even human beings as manifestations of God!

    Islam, on the contrary, exhorts man to consider himself and his surroundings as examples of Divine Creation rather than as divinity itself. Muslims therefore believe that everything is God’s i.e. the word ‘God’ with an apostrophe ‘s’. In other words the Muslims believe that everything belongs to God.
    The trees belong to God, the sun belongs to God, the moon belongs to God, the monkey belongs to God, the snake belongs to God, the human beings belong to God and everything in this universe belongs to God.
    Thus the major difference between the Hindu and the Muslim beliefs is the difference of the apostrophe ‘s’. The Hindu says everything is God. The Muslim says everything is God’s.
    2. Concept of God according to Hindu Scriptures:

    We can gain a better understanding of the concept of God in Hinduism by analysing Hindu scriptures.

    BHAGAVAD GITA:

    The most popular amongst all the Hindu scriptures is the Bhagavad Gita.

    Consider the following verse from the Gita:

    “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
    [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

    The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e. ‘gods’ besides the True God.

    UPANISHADS:

    The Upanishads are considered sacred scriptures by the Hindus.

    The following verses from the Upanishads refer to the Concept of God:

    1. “Ekam evadvitiyam”
    “He is One only without a second.”
    [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
    2. “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
    “Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
    3. “Na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no likeness of Him.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
    4. The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

    “Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”

    “His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

    1 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 447 and 448]
    [Sacred Books of the East, volume 1 ‘The Upanishads part I’ page 93]

    2 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 745]
    [Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page 263.]

    3 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737]
    [Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

    4 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737]
    [Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

    THE VEDAS
    Vedas are considered the most sacred of all the Hindu scriptures. There are four principal Vedas: Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda.
    1. Yajurveda
    The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:

    1. “na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no image of Him.”
    [Yajurveda 32:3]5
    2. “shudhama poapvidham”
    “He is bodyless and pure.”
    [Yajurveda 40:8]6
    3. “Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
    “They enter darkness, those who worship the natural

    Comment by shahbaz alam — November 11, 2015 @ 5:15 pm | Reply

    • scribd.com/document/339715626/Response-to-Zakir-Naik-s-Claims-on-Hinduism-on-Idol-Worship

      Comment by Saroj Hkg — March 18, 2017 @ 8:44 pm | Reply

    • your comments proves that Hinduism is true religion and all other religions are sect of Hinduism because we can see anything in thousands of years old Hindu scriptures (Veda, upnisads, bhagvat Greta) what other religions say.
      so,we don’t need to convert.
      those people who born in Hindu family are convert because of lack of knowledge of their own religion & propaganda against Hinduism.
      we don’t need to learn our religion through a terrorist(Jakir)India &Bangladesh both countrys know he is a terrorist that why he fled from India if he is true devotee why he afraid? whom he afraid?

      Comment by Neelam — September 24, 2017 @ 9:33 am | Reply

    • The difference which you claim between the sanatan dharma and Islam is a misconception. Hindus do not believe that. Everything is not God. God is everything. In fact, God is the only thing. All else which seems to be real is actually maya or illusion caused by the mind and the senses. So the concept of everything belongs to God is wrong as there is nothing else which is true other than God. So the idea of your belongings, my belongings, God’s belongings, are all merely illusions.

      Secondly, according to the Sanatan dharma, Islam and Christianity are false religions, let me tell you why.

      In the Bhagwad Gita, Lord Krishna has said, “There is no doubt that those who worship the lower deities, they attain the heaven(swarg) according to their desires, but those who worship me, they come to me and attain eternal bliss.” From this we can see that those worshiping the lower deities go to heaven. So both Islam and christianity are actually worshiping lower deities because their gods can not give them anything beyond heaven. It’s not really which God we worship, but the desire with which we worship, which decide what we get. The abrahamics worship with the desire of heaven as that is the highest thing their religion talks about, so they are all worshiping merely lower deities and not the ultimate God.

      Comment by Akshay Geetrajen — October 30, 2017 @ 5:09 pm | Reply

  14. Idol worshippers go to hell if hell exists.
    If hell exists, heaven also exists.

    Comment by Faithingod — August 25, 2019 @ 9:24 am | Reply


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